tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post5928693759576023751..comments2023-12-04T20:54:23.989-08:00Comments on Gene V Glass: Why I Am No Longer a Measurement SpecialistUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-79343800681896347442015-08-30T09:00:55.809-07:002015-08-30T09:00:55.809-07:00When I was learning research statistics, the stand...When I was learning research statistics, the standard cautionary tale on construct validity featured the foibles of Phrenology, the onetime pseudoscience that sought to psych out a person’s aptitude and character by measuring the bumps on his or her head to the last decimal place.<br /><br />It appears that Phrenology never dies, it just fads away in ever new fashions.Jon Awbreyhttp://inquiryintoinquiry.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-71012232016644151072015-08-25T17:12:59.362-07:002015-08-25T17:12:59.362-07:00I dunno. As I understand the constructs, "i...I dunno. As I understand the constructs, "inherent self-corrective mechanism" and "paradigm shift," pretty much go hand-in-hand. I'd settle for either or both, insofar as current standardized achievement practice in the US is concerned. <br /><br />Messick, Meehl, and their contemporaries and fore bearers, would, I think, be as appalled by the current "educational testing" milieu as Glass is. What to do to address the situation is a whole nother story.Dick Schutzhttp://ssrn.com/author=1199505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-18922375076778979362015-08-24T18:19:42.040-07:002015-08-24T18:19:42.040-07:00For me this is huge. Dr. Glass is perhaps the fore...For me this is huge. Dr. Glass is perhaps the foremost educational psychometrician in the US if not the world . For him to see the deleterious effects that the improper use of his discipline is having on students is monumental. It gives validity to all of those students, teachers, and parents who have experienced the fallout of high stakes testing in the US. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07564770886999883616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-78301399628050948172015-08-23T09:37:42.566-07:002015-08-23T09:37:42.566-07:00Dick;
Self-corrective? The pragmatics needed for ...Dick;<br />Self-corrective? The pragmatics needed for self-correction would require looking at testing as a practice, not as a technical problem. This was Messick's advocacy for consequential validity, for using multiple sources of data for important decisions, and Meehl's advocacy for a clear eyed view of scientific evaluation. Looking at practice (Pragmatism) is something close to a paradigm change, not the self-correction of normal science. Do you disagree?Howard Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09426998835138855839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-76824938731275279842015-08-20T19:27:04.349-07:002015-08-20T19:27:04.349-07:00I like you, Dick Schutz!I like you, Dick Schutz!Gene V Glasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17498005253641573593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-31937521624239784932015-08-20T14:40:03.194-07:002015-08-20T14:40:03.194-07:00“You can take the boy out of the discipline of edu...“You can take the boy out of the discipline of educational measurement, but you can’t take the discipline of educational measurement out of the boy.”<br /><br />One could argue that a departmental ID change from “Research & Evaluation Methodology” to “Educational Foundations, Policy & Practice” is not much of a gain, but the discipline of educational measurement is buried in each.<br />It doesn’t seem reasonable to me to blame the “sins” of current standardized achievement testing and its detrimental impact on pre-collegiate schooling on psychometric pioneers of earlier years or to demean your personal contributions to the field. I’d chalk up the educational policy failures to psychometric ignorance rather than to psychometric science and technology. Irrespective of the blame, the inherent self-corrective mechanism of science and technology works to fix such errors, but sometimes it takes longer than “it should.”<br /><br />Anyway, whatever your departmental ID, you’re an educational measurement specialist. <br />Dick Schutzhttp://ssrn.com/author=1199505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-45903628215567228192015-08-18T14:07:29.873-07:002015-08-18T14:07:29.873-07:00"[C]heap and scientific looking." in a s..."[C]heap and scientific looking." in a single phrase Professor Glass sums up the entire neoliberal corporate education reform project.<br /><br />The full <a href="http://socialjusticequotations.tumblr.com/post/127019451408/the-degrading-of-public-education-has-involved" rel="nofollow">quote made the SJQA page</a>.Robert D. Skeels * rdsathenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07920561332154131328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-44795063639851984212015-08-18T13:32:24.883-07:002015-08-18T13:32:24.883-07:00Bravo! Welcome back from the dark side! I hope y...Bravo! Welcome back from the dark side! I hope you will not only disassociate yourself from the field of psychometrics, but will join the fight to break the stranglehold that the test developing companies have on the public school system. Robey Clark, Portland OR Robeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05935496112313010947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-16407524293126460452015-08-18T12:28:51.960-07:002015-08-18T12:28:51.960-07:00Excellent decision! Now if only AERA would follow ...Excellent decision! Now if only AERA would follow in your footsteps.Alexandra Milettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06530499049125474646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-75069153001800530402015-08-18T09:48:05.524-07:002015-08-18T09:48:05.524-07:00Thank you for explaining so very clearly the reaso...Thank you for explaining so very clearly the reasons you are acting on the courage of your convictions. Bravo!laMissyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00516322307725011313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-84079344092945956442015-08-18T07:45:11.148-07:002015-08-18T07:45:11.148-07:00Thank you, Dr. Glass. It takes an extraordinary p...Thank you, Dr. Glass. It takes an extraordinary person to make such a dramatic change. I assume you have read S.J. Gould's brilliant book, The Mismeasurement of Man. In fact, I'd bet a penny or two that it might have influenced your decision a tiny bit.<br /><br />Based on your biographical musings, you are just a few years older than I, maybe two or three. As we age, the strong connections among our neurons become less encumbered with spurious signals, and we become wiser. As the song goes, "I can see clearly, now, the rain has gone". But, of course, that 'clarity' has a price.<br /><br />I was so struck with your story that, as an (unpaid) editor of a weekly op-ed column in a small paper, I wanted to see if you might consider being a 'guest columnist' and allow me to post this in the paper. I'm not sure it could work (for one thing, most people have no idea what 'psychometrics' even means), but with a tweak, here and there, and a shortening to under 600 words, I think it could be worth a try. I would, of course, consult and allow you total control over the final decision.<br /><br />email.... jwund@frontiernet.net Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-26626513793454812032015-08-18T07:10:51.302-07:002015-08-18T07:10:51.302-07:00I think you missed the point of the commentaryI think you missed the point of the commentaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-31677063305098278982015-08-18T06:12:22.233-07:002015-08-18T06:12:22.233-07:00The writer is fully aware that everyone benefits. ...The writer is fully aware that everyone benefits. He is saying that the wealthy will always send their children to private schools and do not care to continue supporting public schools. It's part of the much larger reform movement to kill public schools. This writer is politely saying why he can no longer be a part of using psychometric measures to finish the job. I hope he writes more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1915925727662187720.post-58550102477212614542015-08-17T16:41:26.486-07:002015-08-17T16:41:26.486-07:00" ... those served by the public schools look..." ... those served by the public schools look less and less like those paying taxes." This is a ridiculous assertion. That's like saying those served by public highways and clean water systems look less and less like those paying taxes. Everyone (except perhaps the most extreme plutocrats, who don't pay much in taxes, anyway) benefits from a strong public education system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com